Chumps and chiselers - Steamed are you?
Posted by Scott "The Piper" St. Clair - December 28, 2008Thoughts? Add Comment -
Bubba said on Dec 29 2008 at 9:55am
This big three bailout reminds me of a sinking boat, you can keep on bailing water out, but it is probably better to get a life vest on and let the boat sink.
km said on Dec 29 2008 at 5:35pm
Piper: Is this the bailout that didn't pass Congress, but has been instituted through presidential order? If it is, shouldn't you be urging people to take their concerns up with the president?
Bubba: There are thousands of people on board this "boat" to which you refer. You seem to be content to let them drown, so long as you have a life vest. I doubt you are that hard hearted, so I look forward to your clarification.
Bubba said on Dec 30 2008 at 9:57am
km: So where do we draw the line then? I do feel bad for these folks, but what about all the other Americans suffering from this economic crisis? I am sure all of us know someone who has lost a job because of this economic crisis. Who gets the bail-outs and who do not? Are only the big three qualified for a bail-outs? How about small businesses that are closing their doors because of the crisis, who bails them out? What about people who have made bad borrowing decisions and have overextened themselves? Do we bail them out too?
There are some that really don't care what is going on with the economy (i.e. WFSE) as long as they get theirs.
Honestly, my point is that if you do not get to the root of the problem, you will never fix it. And since band-aids are the governments preferred treatment, they better get a bunch of them ready.
km said on Dec 30 2008 at 10:52am
Bubba: Now that was well stated! I knew you had more humane concerns. Indeed, where do we draw the line.
We are clearly not a free market economy and haven't been since the early 20th century. We've dabbled in market control and stimulation for some time and what we now have is truly a mixed economy; part free market and part controlled market. That history will surely influence our choices.
We've historically looked to help the big industries with loan/bailout funds in the past. Remember the Lockheed bailout in California? Those have been "emergency" measures and have been justified in the past by the horrendous ripple effect lost jobs will have on the overall economy. Right choice? I'm not sure, but that's what we've done.
The small businesses don't get bailout help, but they do get small business loans backed by the government. We help them get started, but historically we've not done much to bail them out. Not sure why that is, but I imagine the bureaucracy that it would take to monitor, identify, verify, and deliver those kinds of funds might be prohibitive.
As for the people who made bad borrowing decisions, we've really played a substantial role in creating the climate in which their poor decisions were made. Sounds to me like you feel we own them some help, though I'm not sure we do. I know it's not much, but we have provided liberal bankruptcy procedures. Getting re-established is easier in America than most of the rest of the world. Kind of lame, but it's all I can think of right off hand.
And you're right, we've not been doing much about the root of the problem!








